I am your shepherd

[ajnin]

“The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty.” Abraham Lincoln quotes

“The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same.” Stendhal quotes

“As a leader... I have always endeavored to listen to what each and every person in a discussion had to say before venturing my own opinion. Oftentimes, my own opinion will simply represent a con-sensus of what I heard in the discussion. I always remember the axiom: The leader is like a sheperd. He stays behind the flock, letting the most nimble go on ahead, whereas the others follow, not realising all along that they are being directed from behind. There are times when a leader must move out ahead of his flock, go off in a new direction, confident that he is leading his people the right way.” Nelson Mandela quotes

“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” Bible quotes

[Kain556]

Actually and more specifically rather its john 10:16
to be followed by "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again."

[Brewtt]

*cough*shepherd*cough*

"Shepherd" quotes... I don't get it. What's going on? :confused:

Does ajnin think he's a "fatal shepherd" or something? Delusions of grandeur?

Thinking perhaps I (or WE) are sheep or something? :rolleyes: If so... he's sorely mistaken in this thought process. ;)

[Kitty]

*cough*shepherd*cough*

"Shepherd" quotes... I don't get it. What's going on? :confused:

Does ajnin think he's a "fatal shepherd" or something? Delusions of grandeur?

Thinking perhaps I (or WE) are sheep or something? :rolleyes: If so... he's sorely mistaken in this thought process. ;)


My thoughts exsactly....

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."
- Adolf Hitler


"There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man."
- Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf


all ideals of insanity

[ajnin]

your both caught on some stupid concept about sheep. how about not being so literal. quotes are generally good because of the concept being put across.

[Kitty]

'literal' is often the best way to get a point across ;)

quotes are generally good because they are ALWAYS taken out of context.
you can twist whatever meaning you want from it.

and I mentioned no sheep

[ajnin]

durka, dont litteral in my post.

and dont compare me or my words to hitler. if you dont understand them dont read them. fatal is my flock, i am its sheperd. not in the sense that they are blind as todays representation of "sheep" but in the sense that the quotes above lay it out.

keep being the "wolf" kitty.

[Kitty]

I know you have dreams of being a great leader of some cool paintball team - don't let words stop you.

and Don't act like you're leading some group of otherwise helpless people

I wasn't comparing your words - as you so elloquently QUOTED Marie-Henri Beyle aka 'Stendhal' who was a romantic writer

and also quoted the bible - a verse which speaks not of leadership at all, but of a lost people.

know what you're quoting

[ajnin]

i dont have dreams, we are a cool paintball team.

and i have never acted like any of them are helpless. complete opisite actually. if anything i feel like i ask too much at times, or want to much.

[Kitty]

your a captain of a paintball team

not the president of the united states
or god

perhaps this would have been a more fitting quote than hitler now that I ponder your intended meaning a little further ;)

"He that is proud eats up himself. Pride is his own glass, his own trumpet, his own chronicle; and whatever praises itself but in the deed, devours the deed in the praise. "
Author: William Shakespeare

[ajnin]

you edited all your posts, how cute.

[Kitty]

I was editing as I typed - I was careful not to remove anythign I typed - just added to clarify

[ajnin]

jesus man.

[Kitty]

yup
- word limit -

[Kitty]

brewtt i'm saddened that you did not catch this...


it's "shepherd"
not sheperd

[Brewtt]

brewtt i'm saddened that you did not catch this...


it's "shepherd"
not sheperd

:rolleyes:

lol

Learn to read. Here's the first line of my first post in this thread. ;)

*cough*shepherd*cough*

:p

[Kitty]

oh oops !

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/neonblackkitty/bloodyrant.gif

[Brewtt]

I just objected to the word "shepherd" as it only implied that I might be a "sheep". I thought I would voice my objection and did. That's all.

You both have good points.

My take:
I'm just no "sheep" as I was once referred to as a "sheeple" (sheep/people) by a Lapco hater back in the day when I said the New Ghost would come. This dude said it never would and that Lapco was dead and that I was a blind sheeple for believing in them. That's all.

Wait... don't I OWN a New Ghost? :D

Sheeple who? :cool:

[Kitty]

Well my apologies for 'running on'

perhaps more important than who said the things I quoted was the meaning behind them. Just cause Hitler said it doesn't mean it's faulty. I was comparying what the people you quoted said to what the Hitler quotes - juxtaposed concepts about leadership. What men say under the influence of pride and a sense of purpose - as for your comments about me playing a 'wolf'...

severely uncalled for

It really really bugs the crap out of me when people quote famouse persons honestly - YOU have NO idea what they were saying before or after those 'famouse quotes' nor what it was in regards to. Bible quotes are often twisted to imply something completely different than the original intention, as are many quotes taken from famous speaches (like the abe quote).

as I said before - the best way to get a point across is to be literal... and using your own well thought out words helps.

[Brewtt]

All that being said here's my personal favorite quote that I will apply to this very situation:

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." -Adam Savage, Mythbuster

:cool:

[Kitty]

that always makes me laugh

[Natron]

I liked your original post James. It made me feel no less human, nor did it inetvertanley or should I say subsecuentualy raise yourself on some metaphorical pedastool. As for Hitlers comments, lets remember this is a man who took a war torn country in the gutter and transformed her into a industrial powerhouse that almost took over the world. Perhaps his ideas save the anti semetic bullshit are to be studied. One of my personel favorites is from Winston Churchill.

"Yes I am drunk and you maddam are ugly, tommorow however I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

[Kitty]

Perhaps it takes a certain person, to 'understand' the original post - I am just not that person.
Just to be sure I wasn't in the complete wrong and being an asshole for no reason - I showed the post a several of my friends, as well as the entire thread - all were in aggreement that it sounded rather hawty, all were in aggreement that I should have left out a few of the words and less feelings/egos would have been hurt.

As for Hitlers accomplishments, he was just what the country needed at the right time, someone willing to rally her people.
however, he was a complete fool - his works were largely plagerisms, and his ideals contradicted each other many times... There are a number of famous hitler quotes around that could be used to argue two different sides of a point. There was a reason I quoted him - anything out of context means nothing (or everything if you so wish it) and just because a certain person said it, doesn't have any bearing on it's truthfulness or it's goodness (couldn't think of another word, sorry)

my appologies for tearing apart your well meaning post

[Soren]

ctrl-alt-delete thread

[ajnin]

thanks natron.

and dustin when you showed it to other did you make yourself feel better? funny i didnt know you needed to be reassured.

oh just so you know dustin... i wasnt ignoring you on msn last night, it was on my tv, i was not. but i did check it this morning. so should i ignore it, or is that how you wish to roll?

[Kitty]

Naw - I was genuinly curiouse to see if I indeed was out of line with my response, that's all - if anything I try to learn from mistakes and the best way to do that is have someone point them out - I myself am not too proud to be insulted by someone telling me I was being a jackass if I really was.

And dude I don't make enemies on forums - "how I roll" is real, straight forward, and without anything holding me back

I posted my response to what brewtt had said (hence brewtt in the quote, not you)
you got upset because you thought I was comparing you to hitler
I was comparing what the people you quoted said to what hitler said about a similar subject - both could easily be misconstrues so there was obviously a misunderstanding on both our parts - Usually I'll post then rather than posting again I'll go back and edit a post to add more stuff.. you posted as I was typing.. that happens.. I didn't take anything out of the original post because I saw that you had already read and posted.
I know a lot more about the people and the books/speaches that those quotes were taken from (one of them severly out of context) than you think. So that is where my 'literal'ness came from. I was not comparing you to hitler - you're probably still dwelling about what I said a long time ago... which is dumb... hold grudges much?
You then insulted me directly with your "wolf" comment - which I take extremely personally. I have done a lot for Fatal Paint... even since I've left I continue to try and help and contribute. Perhaps you take it personally that I left your team. Dispite the fact that you said to my face you're glad I have my own team, I hear from Kevin, Katie, your team mates, and others that you have told them otherwise. That for some reason you think I started my own team to show you up or something. I'm a competative person but I don't try to one-up people - I had a friend for a LONG ASS time that did that, it was super stupid and it annoys the fuck out of me, I told you this before.
I retaliated back with another direction than you wanted this thread to go - Everyone is well aware of the fact that you started the team, that you do more than your fair share for this team. Me and others thought your self-sentimental post was kinda just corny and wierd... which is why after you defended yourself I kept it going. Wrong of me, yes I know.
and Nate - I'm glad you're on Fatal Paint.. I know you and Ernie sat to the side many times even during our 'public' meetings with input and I know how much being on a great team like Fatal Paint is - and as much as I want to stay away from the whole hitler thing... I was comparing ideals not people - Had I left out the fact that Hitler said those things maybe people wouldn't have got so upet... In my 4 years of Speach and Debate classes during college I often quoted hitler without telling anyone who the quote was from. Once they felt comfertable with the idea.. I mentioned it was from hitler. It's interesting to see people's reaction to this, they imediately try to defend themselves and thier agreement with the idea by pointing out Adolf Hitler's attributes, and suddenly become history experts although they didn't even recognize the very famous quote.

Anyway James - you have a good team, full of good people, when I was on the team I saw each person as an integral part of the team. I wasn't tryig to downplay your 'leadership' ability - just the use of certain words...
:D <----- for the kids in India

[Natron]

Kitty, your knowledge of history and your ability to clarify humble me.

"Judge not a man by his quotes,
but by his snap shot"........N Robbin

[Kitty]

Roman is the history major

[killionhellion]

on may 31st, 1958...America was discovered by Mexican aviators. these brave men, though having braved the harshest tropical storms known to man, flew their way on banana peel and coconut husk craft over one billion miles to find this now great country of "shepherds" (as they have come to be known). Soon after being humiliated horrifically by the shepherds for flying so many times around the earth before landing, they settled down in a densely forrested area now named "Grass valley". the Mexicans lived happily ever after with their hashish bread and arsenic ridden water for many years to come, until one day they got in an argument over a guy named Hiltler and they all stabbed each other in the face with sharped shards of stale hashish bread.....THE END:eek:

[Kitty]

that is funny stuff